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And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

Last post 05-21-2008, 10:55 AM by Invisible_eagle. 8 replies.
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  •  05-18-2005, 10:43 AM 4784

    And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    We're curious... did you hear this program even though you're not a regular listener to NPR's Justice Talking? Did both sides in the debate get equal treatment?

    Traveling to Amsterdam, we found that one side in the debate, the Pro-ICC side, dominated the audience. It's no coincidence that we were doing the program just a few miles away from the Hague, where the International Criminal Court is based... Yet we worked hard to make sure both sides were heard.

    So - we're eager for your thoughts. Please share them here.

    Steve Mencher

    Producer

    NPR's Justice Talking

  •  05-18-2005, 8:32 PM 4785 in reply to 4785

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    I listened to the program on the U.S.'s refusal to be part of the ICC and I thought Justice Talking conducted the discussion in a fair and balanced manner. Yes, many in the audience, including Americans, were critical of the U.S.'s refusal to participate - but so are many Americans at home - even in this small town in rural Georgia. I am very disappointed that our government chose to "unsign" the treaty. If the U.S. is sincere in its stated goal to protect human rights, and to improve economic and political conditions around the world, we have a duty to fully participate in the ICC.
  •  05-25-2005, 1:06 PM 4786 in reply to 4786

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    I found the irony adorable.

    Before and after the international court show and the U.S. constitutional claims, my local station promo-ed a special on justice in West Virginia. Where some people have been jailed for a year or more awaiting trial. So it's just the Fourth

    Amendment that needs dissing, right?

  •  05-30-2005, 12:25 AM 4787 in reply to 4787

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    The Bush administration cannot possibly sign on to the international criminal court because our President and many in his administration are war criminals. How can we apply justice to Saddam Hussien if we cannot hold our own leader to the same standard? Bush has bombed civilian targets, often using weapons like cluster bombs that result in maiming of small children. He has used depleted uranium ordinance that has poisoned Iraq. He has condoned the systematic torture of prisoners. And he has used false pretenses as Hitler did to justify invasion. It makes me so sad and angry to see so many of my fellow citizens buy into the justifications of empire. Sincerely. John Pritchard
  •  05-30-2005, 11:16 PM 4788 in reply to 4788

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    As a US military member, I am presumably one of the potential war criminals that President Bush is trying to protect from the ICC. However, it was explained several different times – and quite convincingly, I might add – that the ICC only investigates cases of extraordinary significance when the suspect’s country is either unwilling or unable to prosecute. In that all military personnel are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), it would never be the case that a courts martial, if appropriate, wouldn’t be utilized. It might also be interesting to point out that under the UCMJ, one has the right to waive a trial by jury and request to be tried by judge alone. This would be the case whether one was pleading guilty or not and I found it curious that US negotiators considered this such an issue when it’s deemed acceptable practice in our own military legal system.

    So far as potential charges being brought against President Bush or Secretary Rumsfeld, I believe it’s ridiculous to even consider the possibility given the nature of the court, the reasons for its existence, and the fact that investigations must be “approved” by the UN Security Council. I can see no reason that the US should not be a signatory to the ICC. If we are to have any credibility, we must support this effort and work toward resolving any flaws in the ICC rather than simply standing against it or selectively giving support to its very important mission.

  •  06-01-2005, 2:03 PM 4789 in reply to 4789

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    I am a former American legal clerk for the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands. I just heard your program on the ICC. The creation of the Court is an amazing step in international criminal law and I thank you for bringing this program to your listeners. I also want to thank you for conducting such a wonderful, balanced dialogue about the Court's purpose and its current important work.

    Best regards,

    Anna N. Astvatsaturova

  •  06-27-2005, 11:42 AM 4790 in reply to 4790

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    To Mr. Pritchard, Stop defaming our President by comparing him to Hitler. That is as disgusting as it is abhorrent. I could make up ambiguous statements saying Mr. Pritchard strolled into the room with a cockiness that mirrored that of Pol Pot on his way to exterminate a village. Linking our Presidents traits with the proven traits of the most evilest men ever born unto society, is vile. Why do you allow your Political affiliation to lead you by the nose as if you were brainwashed. Think for yourselves and stop letting your Liberal leadership fill your head with nonsense.
  •  09-08-2005, 6:16 PM 4791 in reply to 4791

    RE: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    Ratifying the ICC would be not be advantageous to the United States. President Bush is looking out for our soldiers by not ratifying this. War is a very ambiguous thing. Sometimes one mans terrorist is the others freedom fighter. As the American public President Bush has to convince us that we are in the right and need to go to war. This task is hard enough. If the U.S. joined the ICC, our Presidents would have to convince the world that a problem is occurring and that we need to act militarily to correct it. The problem here is its much harder to convince many different cultures with their own unique history that our view is the right one. We would have to convince the whole world that a certain war would be needed because otherwise countries who opposed the war would see our actions during this war as inhumane. During war people do inhumane things but that is because it is a war. If all the countries would be fighting the same war the same atrocities would be committed on each side and therefore people would act as if they are normal. With only the U.S. fighting a war however, people will not feel that the same atrocities that they might have committed during the same war would be normal. Therefore our troops would be at risk whenever the U.S. would go to war on any type of controversial issue. Not just our troops would be in jeopardy.

    Some people believe that the U.S. should become apart of the ICC because it would make us appear to look like we are cooperating, not imperialistic, etc. etc. All of this is probably true, but the question is, when our troops or other major governmental administrators get accused of committing international crimes, what will we do? Will we just turn them over and let them be at the mercy of foreigners? I think that we would then try to refuse to extradite our people that are accused of international crimes, or we might try our best to make sure they are not guilty by means that might be foul, or might seem foul to the other countries in the world. I think that this will cause more face to be lost than what we would gain by becoming apart of the ICC.

    One last thing that would affect us negatively if we ratified the ICC is it would open a whole new world of politics that would affect President Bush’s decisions. This would then put a restriction on what our presidents can do. I think that we have done a good enough job to place enough restrictions on our president and do not want outside forces that I am unable to control to have an affect on my president.

  •  05-21-2008, 10:55 AM 8094 in reply to 4784

    Re: And Justice for Some: The U.S. Battle with the International Criminal Court

    I have been experienced more sufferring than you.

     

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    So tell me do I got pleasures so much to become your damn bloody customer after all these years and futures? Do i have the right to sued Government of Malaysia and Government of Singapore of unable and unqualified to handle such lousy easy matters until I become paranoide,suffering,frightened,pain in every part of my body, taking so much pain killer tablets when I come home,having terrible experienced getting scolded by mistakes serving the customer in restaurante,getting spit and bad words from everyone that called my family and friends that cursed coz I am working as a waiter while I paid my monthly studies in United States of America more income of Singapore President himself yearly,served ice water to my own staff that come to eat at the restaurante itself,so I need to pay respects and thank you to the people that ruined my status,that ruined my dreams,that ruined my family futures,that ruined my own legacy as International Business Judges and Free Lances Banker. Come on if you were in my places will you take it as pleasures activities or an options in your single life?
     
    Just because a few stupid,arrogant and bloody bastard brain still in your government are not making their jobs correctly. What a beautiful reasons I got to really survived as independent human being in your country?
     
     



     

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